What’s surprising about Trump returning to the White House? For Brittany Luse, Pop Culture Happy Hour‘s Aisha Harris, and NPR’s Alana Wise there isn’t much to be surprised about. Three Black women and journalists mull over how this moment is business as usual from where they sit.

Then, Brittany puts the spotlight on a word that’s been in the shadows in this election cycle: feminism. Vox’s Constance Grady and Paper Magazine’s Joan Summers join the show to discuss the state of feminism in American politics.